they're definitely more pumped to go vote, to get rid of obama, than the obama people are to keep obama. >> gregg: voter enthusiasm is really important. fox news has polled on this. let's put this up on the screen. romney has an 11-point lead among extremely interested voters, right? let's go to the next one, which asked how important is it to you that your candidate should win. there is a ten-point lead by romney. >> here is what this means, this means that the obama campaign, unless they have a very, very robust get out the vote drive, which is called gotv, are in trouble. but what we're seeing is with the amount of money being spent to drag people to the polls, to call them on the phone, to otherwise impour tune them to turn out every way possible, the voters who are less interested are arguably going to have as much enthusiasm as those who the polls show -- >> doug, we have talked, gregg, among the three of us on our shows the last year trying to figure out, is this year, 2012, 1980, the late break for carter, or is it 2004, a fairly unpopular incumbent, bush, and obama, running aga